SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 pre-Majin Vegeta vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan and Super Perfect Cell.

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SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 pre-Majin Vegeta vs SSJ2 Kid Gohan and Super Perfect Cell.
Tweet Topic Started: Jun 17 2016, 12:28 AM (1,705 Views)
Slifer	Jun 17 2016, 12:28 AM Post #1
Posts: 3,488 Group: Member Member #10,141 Joined: September 7, 2013	Who wins?



breaker335	Jun 17 2016, 12:30 AM Post #2
Posts: 879 Group: Member Member #13,278 Joined: June 5, 2016 Gender Male Country United States	Goku and Vegeta by this point should be just above SPC if not, about equal to him, so I'd give it to them.



KidBuu55	Jun 17 2016, 12:36 AM Post #3
Posts: 665 Group: Probation Member #13,002 Joined: March 24, 2016 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Goku and Vegeta clean their clock with ease.



EMIYA	Jun 17 2016, 07:02 AM Post #4
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Pre-Majin Vegeta is just too weak right now. Just a burst from Goku was enough for Vegeta to realize how outmatched he was, but it wasn't until Goku used his full power that he was stated to be above Gohan. Then you add in Piccolo's line about Vegeta and you get the idea that SSJ2 Goku/Majin Vegeta aren't too far ahead of Gohan in the first place. From that you can kind of infer something along the lines of. SSJ2 Goku>~SSj2 Kid Gohan~Zenkai Perfect Cell>SSJ2 Goku (Burst)>SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) Even being lenient, Vegeta's the first to go down. He just not going to hold up on the same level as Goku, Gohan and Cell. So whoever Vegeta fights, he's going to lose and while Goku would more than likely win against his respective opponent, he's definitely going to take too much damage to deal with either Gohan or Cell and potentially he'd have to face both. If Vegeta was actually on Gohan and Cell's level, or at least close, sure, but the implication is that he's not and he's still significantly weaker. In fact, it took Vegeta getting his potential released pass his limits to even get above Gohan in the first place.



+ Son-Goku	Jun 17 2016, 01:29 PM Post #5
孫悟空 Posts: 13,359 Group: Elite Member Member #12,886 Joined: January 24, 2016 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DB/DBZ/DBS, Code Geass, Gintama, YYH, Death Note, and SAO. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fairy Tail, and Naruto.	Goku and Vegeta should be able to take this fairly easily. While Pre-Majin Vegeta is behind Goku he is still much stronger than what he was during the Cell Games. But I'd say he is probably slightly weaker than what Gohan was during the Cell Games. SS2 Goku>SS2 Gohan>SS2 Vegeta>Super Perfect Cell Edited by Son-Goku, Jun 17 2016, 01:29 PM.
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+ Sandy Shore	Jun 17 2016, 04:03 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,860 Group: Elite Member Member #12,337 Joined: May 18, 2015	If Goku fights Gohan, and Vegeta fights Cell, then they both beat their opponents with a fair amount of difficulty. If Goku fights Cell, then he beats him with more than enough time to come to Vegeta's rescue, who would be fighting a losing battle against Gohan.



+ Clearin	Jun 17 2016, 04:09 PM Post #7
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Imo: SSj2 Goku ~ Cell > SSj2 Gohan > SSj2 Vegeta. Cell figths Goku while Gohan takes Vegeta out with some difficulty (more due to Vegeta's insane durability and much better skill than power). Then when Gohan is free, he helps Cell and together they overpower Goku.



+ Six Trails	Jun 17 2016, 04:28 PM Post #8
Posts: 1,570 Group: Elite Member Member #11,764 Joined: October 23, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country United States	Lazuli Jun 17 2016, 04:03 PM If Goku fights Gohan, and Vegeta fights Cell, then they both beat their opponents with a fair amount of difficulty. If Goku fights Cell, then he beats him with more than enough time to come to Vegeta's rescue, who would be fighting a losing battle against Gohan. I agree with this. This is my chain: Goku >~ Gohan >= Vegeta >~ Cell I don't consider Cell around half of Gohan's strength, but I don't consider him too close either. I also don't consider PM Vegeta significantly weaker than Kid Gohan like some do.



Thiln	Jun 18 2016, 06:22 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	It's interesting how different our interpretations of the SSJ2 power chain are. Mike's is the closest to my personal own, though I have Vegeta being strong enough to make it a brutal fight to the death with SSJ2 Kid Gohan. Cell is so much weaker relative to SSJ2 Goku that he gets brutally beaten similar to the treatment he received courtesy of his new ally. The only hope for the Cell Games team rests in Cell being pushed to near death and receiving a zenkai as a result; even then, I believe the fight would be really close and difficult.



EMIYA	Jun 18 2016, 06:38 AM Post #10
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I'm not sure why you guys have Cell so weak. This is the guy who literally pushed SSj2 Kid Gohan to give everything he had and on top of that, needed a distraction. There's even potential that Gohan had a rage boost as well, but that's a different argument and I'll infer it didn't happen. This is the guy who shattered his arm, brought his ki down to less than half and smashed his spirits. The same, bloodthirsty Gohan was who ready to tear Cell limb from limb, was reduced to a wreck, telling the guy just to kill them all. Gohan even goes as far as to admit he underestimated Cell. There's no problem with ultimately letting Gohan have the overall edge. But considering the combination of damage Cell did, both physically and mentally, combined with the overall extreme effort Gohan had to do to finally win. It kind of leads to a substantial evidence that Cell's not a guy Gohan can screw around with one bit. He's someone who is very dangerous and the fact that the amount of damage he does to Gohan in his limited appearance is a testament to that.



Thiln	Jun 18 2016, 06:49 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	I don't underrate Cell's resultant power increase after his self-explosion. The gap relative to Gohan is comparable with Vegeta fending off 1st form Frieza from my point of view. Vegeta asserts how Frieza's underestimation of him is misplaced and how it wouldn't be so easy for him to win. No admission of certain victory is given. The underdog in that situation is merely claiming that to win, their opponent will need to work for it. I find that these two situations are comparable with each other. Both Gohan and Frieza believed their fights would prove to be easily handled when soon afterwards they're admitting how they didn't expect Vegeta/Cell to be so strong.



EMIYA	Jun 18 2016, 06:56 AM Post #12
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	See I'm not sure how well Vegeta vs Freeza fits that. Against Freeza, Vegeta admittedly puts pressure on Freeza, but doesn't do more than that. After their scuffle, Freeza is calm and collect while Vegeta is panting heavily. Freeza doesn't seem as strained as Vegeta was at the end. I'd infer heavily that if Gohan and Cell got into a similar scuffle, Gohan would be panting just as much as Cell.



Thiln	Jun 18 2016, 07:06 AM Post #13
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	In fairness to Gohan, he only had one arm to use after Cell broke it. Vegeta circumstantially came into contact one time and that was during a prolonged grapple that required a constant output of power. I think you're right that they might not completely align with each other, EMIYA. My estimate for Vegeta when confronting Frieza has him at 500,000 max, that's approximately 94% of 1st form Frieza; easily enough to make any fight between the two of them close with Frieza having the edge. Still, we don't know exactly how a conventional fight between Cell and Gohan would have panned out before Vegeta lashed at Cell in rage. Edited by Thiln, Jun 18 2016, 07:06 AM.



EMIYA	Jun 18 2016, 07:18 AM Post #14
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	For me, Vegeta vs Freeza would be similar to Goku vs Cell (Suppressed) maybe not that bad, but in a similar vein. It would be a battle where both would have to go all out, but in the end, Freeza would have more energy to spare and wouldn't be as out of breath as Vegeta. I'd have it more along the line sof 480,000 for Vegeta, maybe coming to that 500,000 end on the long run. At the same time though, I really wouldn't have a problem with Cell being 94% of Gohan, that to me is pretty hard rivaling. In fact as far as I'm concerned, anything from 5% or lower should be considered down right equal in most regards.



Thiln	Jun 18 2016, 07:23 AM Post #15
Posts: 2,481 Group: Member Member #12,166 Joined: March 23, 2015 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball, Attack on Titan What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Hokuto no Ken, Berserk, Dragon Ball, Rurouni Kenshin, Attack on Titan, Kuroshitsuji	Fair enough. You've convinced me about Cell being within range of SSJ2 Gohan. I concede.



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